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**cosyfiep** · Oct 03, 2010, 06:30 PM // 18:30

you can figure out on your own what works and what does not (my husband spends lots of time trying new stuff out with his heroes to see what will work and such--more often than not failing miserably--usually since he doesnt like to take healers with him)....I use my own builds (have only looked at the pvx thing once), find what works for you and use it, trial and error is the way to learn. I have used a brand new account (hence almost NO skills unlocked) and still have been able to do most missions and quests with just the heroes I have (and henchmen---).....
You will fail sometimes, its part of the learning process--MOST of us older players have done some tons of times, its how we figured stuff out. Play the game and you will get the experience to figure out what is working and what is not, if you still need some advice (or builds) you can look thru wiki or guru.....

But that is not what you asked for the in OP....yes there are still groups, much harder to find and usually part of a guild-- but some of them are out there.

Arduin · Oct 03, 2010, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by peteed1985

funny thing is your only focusing on the word guild if you use the name of the game to point out what people should do in game I challenge you to find a couple of in game guild where they are having a war where only those 2 guilds fight each other lol all the PVP in this game and yet theres no such thing as a guild war lol. Arenanet was kinda stupid with the name of the game. so i'd have to agree with the Trolling remark :P

Read all about it.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Guild_Wars

Skyy High · Oct 03, 2010, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by peteed1985

funny thing is your only focusing on the word guild if you use the name of the game to point out what people should do in game I challenge you to find a couple of in game guild where they are having a war where only those 2 guilds fight each other lol all the PVP in this game and yet theres no such thing as a guild war lol. Arenanet was kinda stupid with the name of the game. so i'd have to agree with the Trolling remark :P

1) As Arduin posted, the Guild Wars were a war in the past important to the plot of Prophecies.

2) GvG.

3) None of what you said changes the fact that if you want to do any grouping for dungeons in the game that doesn't involve speed clears and is just about having fun, guilds are the way to go. I may have been brusque, but the advice was good all the same. Trolling would be something like "don't bother, GW is dead" or "learn SC then, n00b".

peteed1985 · Oct 03, 2010, 07:04 PM // 19:04

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Originally Posted by Arduin

Read all about it.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Guild_Wars

don't see why thats linked as a reply to what I said? I was pointing out to the guy who was using the word guild in guild wars to imply being in a guild was whole point to game which isn't true as that link shows

and also would like to ask is GvG only your guild against only one other? every time i've gone in noone in there was in my guild and other team and all random people not a guild

Skyy High · Oct 03, 2010, 07:08 PM // 19:08

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Originally Posted by peteed1985

and also would like to ask is GvG only your guild against only one other? every time i've gone in noone in there was in my guild and other team and all random people not a guild

You're doing it wrong. You need to form a team of 8 in your GH, then either challenge another guild (which you need to set up beforehand, so they're ready with their team of 8), or enter the queue to get a random opponent.

peteed1985 · Oct 03, 2010, 07:12 PM // 19:12

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

You're doing it wrong. You need to form a team of 8 in your GH, then either challenge another guild (which you need to set up beforehand, so they're ready with their team of 8), or enter the queue to get a random opponent.

ahh ok seems kinda odd that its a called GvG when its not GvG really unless you do all that

PVP seems pointless in game I got reported as AFK cause some idiot saw me fighting in PVP so after he screamed at me cause I was PVPing rather than running around the map to bases him and the team all reported me as AFK that was my one and only time I ever tryed to PVP cause apparently fighting in PVP means your AFK lol

Skyy High · Oct 03, 2010, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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Originally Posted by peteed1985

ahh ok seems kinda odd that its a called GvG when its not GvG really unless you do all that

"It's odd that it's called X because you need to know what you're doing in order to make it work right."

It's an organized format. It requires the planning and coordination of a guild. This seems like it would be obvious, considering the name.

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PVP seems pointless in game I got reported as AFK cause some idiot saw me fighting in PVP so after he screamed at me cause I was PVPing rather than running around the map to bases him and the team all reported me as AFK that was my one and only time I ever tryed to PVP cause apparently fighting in PVP means your AFK lol

Sounds like you played AB, once. It also sounds like you didn't understand the format, you lost your team, and proceeded to run around randomly attacking groups and dying.

Pro tip: if you don't know what you're doing, listen to the guys telling you what to do. Don't sit there all smug, and if you do, don't be surprised when no one wants to play with you. If you want to dick around, that's what the Random Arenas are for, or even Jade Quarry or Fort Aspenwood; all of those use random teams, so you can do pretty much whatever you want and it doesn't matter terribly much. If you join a team in PvP, you need to play as a team. Your complaints are about as valid as someone completely new to UW joining a group, ignoring the leader's warnings to not take any quests without him saying so, wiping the party because you took a quest you weren't supposed to, and then laughing at them when they raged and kicked you.

If you want to play a format or area with a PUG, it's common courtesy to the people you are grouping with to learn a little about the area first. This goes for both PvE and PvP, it's just that the enemies (and allies) in PvP are much less forgiving than the ones you find in PvE, so you need to be prepared to listen if you want to get anywhere.

Oh, and I'll point it out, because it's so deliciously ironic when considering my first post in this thread: Alliance Battles. You want an organized group that won't rage at you and wants to just fight, ask your guild/alliance.

[edit]Looking back at the OP, it seems like the two issues are more related than I thought, at first. In both cases, you're raging because you're trying to do something with random players, something that has an established "best way" to play that pretty much all random groups follow, and you're blaming the groups for not playing the way you want to play instead of trying to find yourself like-minded players who would want to play the way you want to. The solution is the same in both cases: if you want to play a certain way, use guildies, heros and henchies, or friends. If you want to play with PUGs, you need to play with the builds PUGs use, because they're the ones that are the most effective (or, really, the most reliable).

peteed1985 · Oct 03, 2010, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

"It's odd that it's called X because you need to know what you're doing in order to make it work right."

It's an organized format. It requires the planning and coordination of a guild. This seems like it would be obvious, considering the name.

Sounds like you played AB, once. It also sounds like you didn't understand the format, you lost your team, and proceeded to run around randomly attacking groups and dying.

Pro tip: if you don't know what you're doing, listen to the guys telling you what to do. Don't sit there all smug, and if you do, don't be surprised when no one wants to play with you. If you want to dick around, that's what the Random Arenas are for, or even Jade Quarry or Fort Aspenwood; all of those use random teams, so you can do pretty much whatever you want and it doesn't matter terribly much. If you join a team in PvP, you need to play as a team. Your complaints are about as valid as someone completely new to UW joining a group, ignoring the leader's warnings to not take any quests without him saying so, wiping the party because you took a quest you weren't supposed to, and then laughing at them when they raged and kicked you.

If you want to play a format or area with a PUG, it's common courtesy to the people you are grouping with to learn a little about the area first. This goes for both PvE and PvP, it's just that the enemies (and allies) in PvP are much less forgiving than the ones you find in PvE, so you need to be prepared to listen if you want to get anywhere.

Oh, and I'll point it out, because it's so deliciously ironic when considering my first post in this thread: Alliance Battles. You want an organized group that won't rage at you and wants to just fight, ask your guild/alliance.

ahh ok just kinda figured when I joined a a PVP game that it would actually be players fighting players not running around map non stop then again I guess I never stopped to think that the term player versus player doesn't actually mention fighting at all it just implys that your doing something to beat the other player and in most other PVP things that seems to amount to fighting

peteed1985 · Oct 03, 2010, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Looking back at the OP, it seems like the two issues are more related than I thought, at first. In both cases, you're raging because you're trying to do something with random players, something that has an established "best way" to play that pretty much all random groups follow, and you're blaming the groups for not playing the way you want to play instead of trying to find yourself like-minded players who would want to play the way you want to. The solution is the same in both cases: if you want to play a certain way, use guildies, heros and henchies, or friends. If you want to play with PUGs, you need to play with the builds PUGs use, because they're the ones that are the most effective (or, really, the most reliable).

no the the first post was about them inviting me to a VSF when I was looking for a slavers exile group aka a full run of the place then going nuts because I wasn't a perma..............

apparently cause permas are rare they didn't think before inviting me and then decided to go off at me even though I wasn't looking for a VSF group

Skyy High · Oct 03, 2010, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by peteed1985

ahh ok just kinda figured when I joined a a PVP game that it would actually be players fighting players not running around map non stop then again I guess I never stopped to think that the term player versus player doesn't actually mention fighting at all it just implys that your doing something to beat the other player and in most other PVP things that seems to amount to fighting

Like I said, that's AB. Learn the format before you go in, or at the very least listen to your teammates. If you just want to go in and fight, I pointed out three formats more suited to your purposes. You're extrapolating your one and only experience in an arena you knew nothing about to all of PvP, and it's grating.

joseph Mckennie · Oct 04, 2010, 03:48 AM // 03:48

What youre asking people to do is think on their own and make a balanced build that isnt posted on pvxwiki. This is clearly too much to ask. If you dont use the same generic -way build as everyone else, then clearly youre not fit to play with the rest of us. Its heroes and henchmen for you, sir.

Quaker · Oct 04, 2010, 02:42 PM // 14:42

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Originally Posted by joseph Mckennie

If you dont use the same generic -way build as everyone else, then clearly youre not fit to play with the rest of us. Its heroes and henchmen for you, sir.

Just Henchmen really - Hero builds must come from PvXwiki as well. "It's not just a good idea - it's the law!"

/sarcasm

Oct 03, 2010, 06:30 PM // 18:30	#21
cosyfiep are we there yet? Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: in a land far far away Guild: guild? I am supposed to have a guild? Profession: Rt/	you can figure out on your own what works and what does not (my husband spends lots of time trying new stuff out with his heroes to see what will work and such--more often than not failing miserably--usually since he doesnt like to take healers with him)....I use my own builds (have only looked at the pvx thing once), find what works for you and use it, trial and error is the way to learn. I have used a brand new account (hence almost NO skills unlocked) and still have been able to do most missions and quests with just the heroes I have (and henchmen---)..... You will fail sometimes, its part of the learning process--MOST of us older players have done some tons of times, its how we figured stuff out. Play the game and you will get the experience to figure out what is working and what is not, if you still need some advice (or builds) you can look thru wiki or guru..... But that is not what you asked for the in OP....yes there are still groups, much harder to find and usually part of a guild-- but some of them are out there. __________________ where is the 'all you can eat' cookie bar?

Oct 04, 2010, 03:48 AM // 03:48	#31
joseph Mckennie Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2009 Guild: Ordo Assassinorum Profession: R/Rt	What youre asking people to do is think on their own and make a balanced build that isnt posted on pvxwiki. This is clearly too much to ask. If you dont use the same generic -way build as everyone else, then clearly youre not fit to play with the rest of us. Its heroes and henchmen for you, sir.